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I recommend NOT using it the way many of us have been using it. Instead, in order to conform to already established usage, it should be called "verification". If we compute enclosures of solutions, we can talk about enclosures, of course. Evidently "validation" is widely used to refer to agreement with physical effects, experimental results, etc. Please see remarks below by Ivo Babuska. Ray Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: "Babuska" To: "Ray Moore" Cc: "G. William Walster" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:32 PM Subject: Verification and Validation > Dear Ray, > with respect to the field of Verification and Validation the best would > be if you will look on the following publications > 1.Guide for Verification and vVlidation of computational fluid dynamics > simulation. Tech Rep AIAA G -077-1998 American Institute of Aeronautics > and Astronautics > > 2.Babuska and Oden Verification and Validation computational engineering > and science. Basic concepts Comp Meth Appl Mech engrg. 193, > 2004,4057-4066 > > 3. Oberkampf and Trucano Verification and Validation in computational > fluid dynamics Progress in Aerospace Sciences 38 2002, 209-272 > > P J Roache Verification and Validation in Computational Science and > Engineering Hermosa Publishers 1998 > ( this is a book) > > Roughly: > Verification is related to the question whether computer leads to the > correct solution of the mathematical problem. It has two parts: a. The > reliability of the algorithm,( convergence, a-posteriori estimates etc) > and b. the problem whether the program has no bugs etc. > Validation relates to the question whether the computed results describe > well the physical effects of interest.They can be various, for example > displacements, stresses, resultants, eigenfrequences, temperature, fluxes > etc > Validation is also related to the experimental results. Notions as > calibration, validation accreditation, post audits are used > > In the publications above is large literature citation. I could give you > much more literature. As I said in the previous message I would recommend > that you also look on the Proceedings of Winter simulation conferences > which takes place every year. > Best regards > Ivo > > > > > From owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Tue Aug 2 07:34:33 2005 Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j72CYXx6017689 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:34:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j72CYWTV017688 for reliable_computing-outgoing; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:34:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from interferon.mpi-sb.mpg.de (mail.mpi-sb.mpg.de [139.19.1.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j72CYOka017684 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:34:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from amavis by interferon.mpi-sb.mpg.de with scanned-ok (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1DzvyL-0007fb-00 for ; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 14:34:17 +0200 Received: from mpino2303.ag2.mpi-sb.mpg.de ([139.19.24.75]) by interferon.mpi-sb.mpg.de with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1DzvyK-0007eM-00; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 14:34:16 +0200 Subject: Re: Fw: Verification and Validation From: Stefan Ratschan To: reliable computing Cc: Ray Moore In-Reply-To: <000301c5974b$d9937c30$0202a8c0@Moore> References: <000301c5974b$d9937c30$0202a8c0@Moore> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 14:33:45 +0200 Message-Id: <1122986025.4616.18.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Precedence: bulk On Die, 2005-08-02 at 06:20 -0400, Ray Moore wrote: > I am just now learning that the term "validation" is already in common usage > with a different meaning that what is often used in our circle. To my knowledge both the terms "verification" and "validation" have different meanings in different fields. For example, when engineers use these terms, they do not necessarily connect mathematical correctness with it. For example, they might do "verification by testing" ... Stefan Ratschan From owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Tue Aug 2 08:24:18 2005 Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j72DOIjY017777 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:24:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j72DOHKf017776 for reliable_computing-outgoing; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:24:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cs.clemson.edu (mailhost.cs.clemson.edu [130.127.48.6]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j72DO8uU017772 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:24:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [130.127.49.168] (csdhcp24.cs.clemson.edu [130.127.49.168]) by cs.clemson.edu (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72DNrLB026449; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 09:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000301c5974b$d9937c30$0202a8c0@Moore> References: <000301c5974b$d9937c30$0202a8c0@Moore> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 09:23:47 -0400 To: "Ray Moore" , "reliable computing" From: Steve Stevenson Subject: Re: Fw: Verification and Validation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 130.127.48.6 Sender: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Precedence: bulk Good Morning, Yes, the terms "verification" and "validation" (and "accreditation" or "certification") have a very distinct meaning to the US Department of Defense, Department of Energy, and NASA. AIAA and ASME also have or soon will have standards on this. It goes by the term V&V or VV&A depending on the sponsor. You can get a quick overview of the area by going to www.dmso.mil and in the navigation bar on the left look for "VV&A." There have been two conferences Foundations 2002 and 2004; I was co-program chair of each. My interest in reliable computing is directly the result of VV&A issues. steve At 6:20 -0400 8/2/05, Ray Moore wrote: >Dear Colleagues, > >I am just now learning that the term "validation" is already in >common usage with a different meaning that what is often used in our >circle. I recommend NOT using it the way many of us have been using >it. Instead, in order to conform to already established usage, it >should be called "verification". If we compute enclosures of >solutions, we can talk about enclosures, of course. Evidently >"validation" is widely used to refer to agreement with physical >effects, experimental results, etc. >Please see remarks below by Ivo Babuska. > >Ray Moore > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Babuska" >To: "Ray Moore" >Cc: "G. William Walster" >Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:32 PM >Subject: Verification and Validation > >>Dear Ray, >>with respect to the field of Verification and Validation the best >>would be if you will look on the following publications >>1.Guide for Verification and vVlidation of computational fluid >>dynamics simulation. Tech Rep AIAA G -077-1998 American Institute >>of Aeronautics and Astronautics >> >>2.Babuska and Oden Verification and Validation computational >>engineering and science. Basic concepts Comp Meth Appl Mech engrg. >>193, 2004,4057-4066 >> >>3. Oberkampf and Trucano Verification and Validation in >>computational fluid dynamics Progress in Aerospace Sciences 38 >>2002, 209-272 >> >>P J Roache Verification and Validation in Computational Science >>and Engineering Hermosa Publishers 1998 >>( this is a book) >> >>Roughly: >>Verification is related to the question whether computer leads to >>the correct solution of the mathematical problem. It has two parts: >>a. The reliability of the algorithm,( convergence, a-posteriori >>estimates etc) and b. the problem whether the program has no bugs >>etc. >>Validation relates to the question whether the computed results >>describe well the physical effects of interest.They can be various, >>for example displacements, stresses, resultants, eigenfrequences, >>temperature, fluxes etc >>Validation is also related to the experimental results. Notions as >>calibration, validation accreditation, post audits are used >> >>In the publications above is large literature citation. I could >>give you much more literature. As I said in the previous message I >>would recommend that you also look on the Proceedings of Winter >>simulation conferences which takes place every year. >>Best regards >>Ivo -- best, steve Dr. D. E. Stevenson Director, Institute for Modeling and Simulation Applications Clemson University Clemson,SC 29634-0974 From owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Tue Aug 2 09:04:09 2005 Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j72E49nB017873 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 09:04:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j72E49Jq017872 for reliable_computing-outgoing; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 09:04:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cs.clemson.edu (mailhost.cs.clemson.edu [130.127.48.6]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j72E40qI017868 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 09:04:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [130.127.49.168] (csdhcp24.cs.clemson.edu [130.127.49.168]) by cs.clemson.edu (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72E3gDX028048; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1122986025.4616.18.camel@localhost> References: <000301c5974b$d9937c30$0202a8c0@Moore> <1122986025.4616.18.camel@localhost> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:03:36 -0400 To: Stefan Ratschan , reliable computing From: Steve Stevenson Subject: Re: Fw: Verification and Validation Cc: Ray Moore Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 130.127.48.6 Sender: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Precedence: bulk At 14:33 +0200 8/2/05, Stefan Ratschan wrote: >On Die, 2005-08-02 at 06:20 -0400, Ray Moore wrote: >> I am just now learning that the term "validation" is already in common usage >> with a different meaning that what is often used in our circle. >To my knowledge both the terms "verification" and "validation" have >different meanings in different fields. For example, when engineers use >these terms, they do not necessarily connect mathematical correctness >with it. For example, they might do "verification by testing" ... > >Stefan Ratschan This is true. The reason AIAA and ASME have gotten involved is that the terminology needs to be standardized. When I deal with scientists, there is always confusion because they can't conceive "verifying" something outside the "valid" range. Mathematicians use the words interchangeably while logicians have a strict distinction. Verification by testing is still verification, for example. Computer scientists use the term to stress a link between code and specification; they even sometimes ask the validation question "Does this actually do what the customer needs?" So, yes, the terms are not used uniformly but given the number of computational science and engineering organizations that use the terms in the way I do, it will become more common to make the distinctions I've made here. -- best, steve Dr. D. E. Stevenson Director, Institute for Modeling and Simulation Applications Clemson University Clemson,SC 29634-0974 From owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Tue Aug 2 09:08:41 2005 Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j72E8fDb017900 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 09:08:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j72E8edD017899 for reliable_computing-outgoing; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 09:08:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bilbo.ad.engr.uconn.edu (bilbo.engr.uconn.edu [137.99.15.71]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j72E8Vv2017895 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 09:08:37 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Verification and Validation Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:04:44 -0400 Message-ID: <12A10CDD8C8E3449A58AC0EAC99E14470822D659 [at] bilbo [dot] ad.engr.uconn.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Verification and Validation Thread-Index: AcWXVp+QiZu4uH6MRPWPQ9eA6ZxqhwAFIMWJ From: "Luke Achenie" To: "reliable computing" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by interval.louisiana.edu id j72E8bv2017896 Sender: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Precedence: bulk Dear Colleagues: I agree with Ray and Ivo. In engineering circles and certainly within chemical engineering "validation" has to do with consistency with experimental data or observed physical phenomenon. The interval community would do well to adopt the universal meaning. Best regards. Luke @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Luke E. K. Achenie, PhD Professor, Department of Chemical Engineering Director, Computer Aided Process and Product Design Lab (www.engr.uconn.edu/cheg/cheg_fac_achenie.htm) Director, School of Engineering Computing Services (http://www.engr.uconn.edu/ecs/organization.htm) Dept. of Chemical Engineering, Unit 3222 University of Connecticut 191 Auditorium Road Storrs, CT 06269 Phone: (860) 486-2756 Fax: (860) 486-2959 Email: achenie [at] engr [dot] uconn.edu ________________________________ From: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu on behalf of Ray Moore Sent: Tue 8/2/2005 6:20 AM To: reliable computing Subject: Fw: Verification and Validation Dear Colleagues, I am just now learning that the term "validation" is already in common usage with a different meaning that what is often used in our circle. I recommend NOT using it the way many of us have been using it. Instead, in order to conform to already established usage, it should be called "verification". If we compute enclosures of solutions, we can talk about enclosures, of course. Evidently "validation" is widely used to refer to agreement with physical effects, experimental results, etc. Please see remarks below by Ivo Babuska. Ray Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: "Babuska" To: "Ray Moore" Cc: "G. William Walster" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:32 PM Subject: Verification and Validation > Dear Ray, > with respect to the field of Verification and Validation the best would > be if you will look on the following publications > 1.Guide for Verification and vVlidation of computational fluid dynamics > simulation. Tech Rep AIAA G -077-1998 American Institute of Aeronautics > and Astronautics > > 2.Babuska and Oden Verification and Validation computational engineering > and science. Basic concepts Comp Meth Appl Mech engrg. 193, > 2004,4057-4066 > > 3. Oberkampf and Trucano Verification and Validation in computational > fluid dynamics Progress in Aerospace Sciences 38 2002, 209-272 > > P J Roache Verification and Validation in Computational Science and > Engineering Hermosa Publishers 1998 > ( this is a book) > > Roughly: > Verification is related to the question whether computer leads to the > correct solution of the mathematical problem. It has two parts: a. The > reliability of the algorithm,( convergence, a-posteriori estimates etc) > and b. the problem whether the program has no bugs etc. > Validation relates to the question whether the computed results describe > well the physical effects of interest.They can be various, for example > displacements, stresses, resultants, eigenfrequences, temperature, fluxes > etc > Validation is also related to the experimental results. Notions as > calibration, validation accreditation, post audits are used > > In the publications above is large literature citation. I could give you > much more literature. As I said in the previous message I would recommend > that you also look on the Proceedings of Winter simulation conferences > which takes place every year. > Best regards > Ivo > > > > > From owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Tue Aug 2 10:36:27 2005 Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j72FaRZE018149 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:36:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j72FaRRx018148 for reliable_computing-outgoing; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:36:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cs.clemson.edu (plato.cs.clemson.edu [130.127.48.6]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j72FaITO018144 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:36:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [130.127.49.168] (csdhcp24.cs.clemson.edu [130.127.49.168]) by cs.clemson.edu (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72FZeKW002671; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <12A10CDD8C8E3449A58AC0EAC99E14470822D659 [at] bilbo [dot] ad.engr.uconn.edu> References: <12A10CDD8C8E3449A58AC0EAC99E14470822D659 [at] bilbo [dot] ad.engr.uconn.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:35:34 -0400 To: "Luke Achenie" , "reliable computing" From: Steve Stevenson Subject: RE: Verification and Validation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 130.127.48.6 Sender: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Precedence: bulk At 10:04 -0400 8/2/05, Luke Achenie wrote: >Dear Colleagues: > >I agree with Ray and Ivo. In engineering circles and certainly >within chemical engineering "validation" has to do with consistency >with experimental data or observed physical phenomenon. The interval >community would do well to adopt the universal meaning. Best >regards. Luke Indeed, that is what its means in that particular engineering community and that's the "informal meaning" in most discplines. I'm not saying you're incorrect; all I'm saying is that the terms have a very broad meaning outside the very narrow and generally ill-defined usage in a particular engineering group. The work at the National Laboratories go way past your meanings; we can't just blow up a bunch of nukes to get new data. See my paper on the Michelson-Morley experiment in ``The Michelson-Morley Experiment as a Case Study in Validation.'' Computers in Science and Engineering. Nov-Dec, 2002. 40-51. > >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > >Luke E. K. Achenie, PhD >Professor, Department of Chemical Engineering >Director, Computer Aided Process and Product Design Lab >(www.engr.uconn.edu/cheg/cheg_fac_achenie.htm) >Director, School of Engineering Computing Services >(http://www.engr.uconn.edu/ecs/organization.htm) > >Dept. of Chemical Engineering, Unit 3222 University of Connecticut >191 Auditorium Road >Storrs, CT 06269 > >Phone: (860) 486-2756 Fax: (860) 486-2959 Email: achenie [at] engr [dot] uconn.edu > > > >________________________________ > >From: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu on behalf of Ray Moore >Sent: Tue 8/2/2005 6:20 AM >To: reliable computing >Subject: Fw: Verification and Validation > > > >Dear Colleagues, > >I am just now learning that the term "validation" is already in common usage >with a different meaning that what is often used in our circle. I recommend >NOT using it the way many of us have been using it. Instead, in order to >conform to already established usage, it should be called "verification". If >we compute enclosures of solutions, we can talk about enclosures, of course. >Evidently "validation" is widely used to refer to agreement with physical >effects, experimental results, etc. > Please see remarks below by Ivo Babuska. > >Ray Moore > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Babuska" >To: "Ray Moore" >Cc: "G. William Walster" >Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:32 PM >Subject: Verification and Validation > > >> Dear Ray, >> with respect to the field of Verification and Validation the best would >> be if you will look on the following publications >> 1.Guide for Verification and vVlidation of computational fluid dynamics >> simulation. Tech Rep AIAA G -077-1998 American Institute of Aeronautics >> and Astronautics >> >> 2.Babuska and Oden Verification and Validation computational engineering >> and science. Basic concepts Comp Meth Appl Mech engrg. 193, >> 2004,4057-4066 >> >> 3. Oberkampf and Trucano Verification and Validation in computational >> fluid dynamics Progress in Aerospace Sciences 38 2002, 209-272 >> >> P J Roache Verification and Validation in Computational Science and >> Engineering Hermosa Publishers 1998 >> ( this is a book) >> >> Roughly: >> Verification is related to the question whether computer leads to the >> correct solution of the mathematical problem. It has two parts: a. The >> reliability of the algorithm,( convergence, a-posteriori estimates etc) >> and b. the problem whether the program has no bugs etc. >> Validation relates to the question whether the computed results describe >> well the physical effects of interest.They can be various, for example >> displacements, stresses, resultants, eigenfrequences, temperature, fluxes >> etc >> Validation is also related to the experimental results. Notions as >> calibration, validation accreditation, post audits are used > > >> In the publications above is large literature citation. I could give you >> much more literature. As I said in the previous message I would recommend >> that you also look on the Proceedings of Winter simulation conferences >> which takes place every year. >> Best regards >> Ivo >> >> >> >> >> -- best, steve Dr. D. E. Stevenson Director, Institute for Modeling and Simulation Applications Clemson University Clemson,SC 29634-0974 From owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Tue Aug 2 13:16:53 2005 Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j72IGqPg018387 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:16:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j72IGqbK018386 for reliable_computing-outgoing; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:16:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from scanner2.ics.uci.edu (root [at] scanner2 [dot] ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.36]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j72IGht5018382 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:16:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from igor.ics.uci.edu (igor.ics.uci.edu [128.195.4.119]) by scanner2.ics.uci.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j72I7cKE004960; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:07:36 -0700 From: Wayne Hayes To: Steve Stevenson Cc: Luke Achenie , reliable computing Subject: Re: Verification and Validation Message-ID: <20050802180735.GA13804 [at] igor [dot] ics.uci.edu> References: <12A10CDD8C8E3449A58AC0EAC99E14470822D659 [at] bilbo [dot] ad.engr.uconn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-96.69, required 5, MSGID_FROM_MTA_SHORT, USER_IN_WHITELIST) Sender: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Precedence: bulk What's wrong with calling it "interval arithmetic"? I presume that's what we really mean when we refer to "reliable computing", "validated computing", "verified computing", etc., on this list. All of these terms are too vague and prone to being mis-interpreted. I believe the only confusion that could arise when using the term "interval arithmetic" is that some people do NON-validated computing with intervals -- that is, keeping track of endpoints in a non-rigorous way. Since that's the only possible confusion I can forsee at the moment, and it's a very subtle difference, I propose that if we choose a new term that we choose "validated interval arithmetic". One could argue that we're doing more than just interval arithmetic these days; for example is validated global optimization, or validated ODE integration, just "interval arithmetic"? Maybe it's more, but there's less chance of confusion if you say "global optimization validated with interval arithmetic", or "ODE integration validated with interval arithmetic". It's a bit long-winded, but much less prone to confusion. - Wayne From owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Tue Aug 2 13:40:08 2005 Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j72Ie7P3018429 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:40:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j72Ie7Ls018428 for reliable_computing-outgoing; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:40:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from eastrmmtao05.cox.net (eastrmmtao05.cox.net [68.230.240.34]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j72Idw3E018424 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:40:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Inspiron-8200 ([68.226.133.93]) by eastrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050802183942.DXUY2947.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@Inspiron-8200> for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:39:42 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20050802183931.00c84954 [at] pop [dot] louisiana.edu> X-Sender: rbk5287 [at] pop [dot] louisiana.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 13:39:31 -0500 To: reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu From: "R. Baker Kearfott" Subject: Re: Verification and Validation Sender: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Precedence: bulk Wayne, Another possible source of confusion with the term "interval arithmetic" is that people do "automatic result verification" or "rigorous error bounding" using directed rounding but do not explicitly use interval arithmetic. That is, instead of having an interval data type, they may find it useful to carry out two sets of floating point computations, programming each carefully and explicitly switching the rounding mode where necessary to be assured of a lower bound on the exact result for the first estimate, and an upper bound on the exact result for the second estimate. Some of the most prominent application successes of automatic theorem proving with floating point arithmetic were done this way. Best regards, Baker At 11:07 AM 8/2/2005 -0700, Wayne Hayes wrote: >What's wrong with calling it "interval arithmetic"? I presume that's >what we really mean when we refer to "reliable computing", "validated >computing", "verified computing", etc., on this list. All of these >terms are too vague and prone to being mis-interpreted. I believe >the only confusion that could arise when using the term "interval >arithmetic" is that some people do NON-validated computing with >intervals -- that is, keeping track of endpoints in a non-rigorous >way. Since that's the only possible confusion I can forsee at >the moment, and it's a very subtle difference, I propose that if >we choose a new term that we choose "validated interval arithmetic". > >One could argue that we're doing more than just interval arithmetic >these days; for example is validated global optimization, or validated >ODE integration, just "interval arithmetic"? Maybe it's more, but >there's less chance of confusion if you say "global optimization validated >with interval arithmetic", or "ODE integration validated with interval >arithmetic". It's a bit long-winded, but much less prone to confusion. > > - Wayne > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk [at] louisiana [dot] edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Tue Aug 2 13:43:39 2005 Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j72Ihc5w018437 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:43:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j72Ihc59018436 for reliable_computing-outgoing; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:43:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from eastrmmtao01.cox.net (eastrmmtao01.cox.net [68.230.240.38]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j72IhTlh018432 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:43:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Inspiron-8200 ([68.226.133.93]) by eastrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050802184254.CSRX12912.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@Inspiron-8200> for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:42:54 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20050802184302.00c836e8 [at] pop [dot] louisiana.edu> X-Sender: rbk5287 [at] pop [dot] louisiana.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 13:43:02 -0500 To: reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu From: "R. Baker Kearfott" Subject: Re: Another aspect, Verification and Validation Sender: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Precedence: bulk Wayne, Now that I think even more about it, there are alternate "rigorous" floating point systems whose inventors contrast with "interval arithmetic". Affine arithmetic and Taylor arithmetic are examples of these. However, the spirit of interval arithmetic underlies these, however. Baker At 11:07 AM 8/2/2005 -0700, Wayne Hayes wrote: >What's wrong with calling it "interval arithmetic"? I presume that's >what we really mean when we refer to "reliable computing", "validated >computing", "verified computing", etc., on this list. All of these >terms are too vague and prone to being mis-interpreted. I believe >the only confusion that could arise when using the term "interval >arithmetic" is that some people do NON-validated computing with >intervals -- that is, keeping track of endpoints in a non-rigorous >way. Since that's the only possible confusion I can forsee at >the moment, and it's a very subtle difference, I propose that if >we choose a new term that we choose "validated interval arithmetic". > >One could argue that we're doing more than just interval arithmetic >these days; for example is validated global optimization, or validated >ODE integration, just "interval arithmetic"? Maybe it's more, but >there's less chance of confusion if you say "global optimization validated >with interval arithmetic", or "ODE integration validated with interval >arithmetic". It's a bit long-winded, but much less prone to confusion. > > - Wayne > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk [at] louisiana [dot] edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Tue Aug 2 14:53:32 2005 Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j72JrVjH018594 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:53:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j72JrVr1018593 for reliable_computing-outgoing; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:53:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from grpws1.uca.edu (grpws1.uca.edu [161.31.24.26]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j72JrIqU018588 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:53:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from GWDMN1-MTA by grpws1.uca.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 14:53:12 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 14:52:44 -0500 From: "Chenyi Hu" To: , Cc: , Subject: Re: Verification and Validation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by interval.louisiana.edu id j72JrSqU018590 Sender: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Precedence: bulk How about using the term "interval computing"? It is probably broad (and specific) enough to cover what we do mostly. -Chenyi >>> Wayne Hayes 08/02/05 11:07 AM >>> What's wrong with calling it "interval arithmetic"? I presume that's what we really mean when we refer to "reliable computing", "validated computing", "verified computing", etc., on this list. All of these terms are too vague and prone to being mis-interpreted. I believe the only confusion that could arise when using the term "interval arithmetic" is that some people do NON-validated computing with intervals -- that is, keeping track of endpoints in a non-rigorous way. Since that's the only possible confusion I can forsee at the moment, and it's a very subtle difference, I propose that if we choose a new term that we choose "validated interval arithmetic". One could argue that we're doing more than just interval arithmetic these days; for example is validated global optimization, or validated ODE integration, just "interval arithmetic"? Maybe it's more, but there's less chance of confusion if you say "global optimization validated with interval arithmetic", or "ODE integration validated with interval arithmetic". It's a bit long-winded, but much less prone to confusion. - Wayne From owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Tue Aug 2 15:51:43 2005 Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j72KpgEX018668 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:51:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j72KpgaV018667 for reliable_computing-outgoing; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:51:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from relay.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with SMTP id j72KpXqC018663 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:51:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 55744 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2005 20:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.7?) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 2 Aug 2005 20:51:29 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 24.244.69.242 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jat711k [at] www [dot] peda.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050802180735.GA13804 [at] igor [dot] ics.uci.edu> References: <12A10CDD8C8E3449A58AC0EAC99E14470822D659 [at] bilbo [dot] ad.engr.uconn.edu> <20050802180735.GA13804 [at] igor [dot] ics.uci.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:50:46 -0700 To: reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu From: Jeff Tupper Subject: Re: Verification and Validation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Precedence: bulk I've personally used "generalized interval arithmetic" as an umbrella term for affine arithmetic, Taylor models, and lower / upper bound computations for over ten years. Variants of each were used in graphing programs I implemented prior to writing my M.Sc. thesis. When I was finishing up the thesis, I became aware of Hansen's earlier "generalized interval arithmetic" but decided to stick with the name as I saw his earlier work as a precursor of the later arithmetics. Jeff P.S. Regarding Sun's patents, one possible benefit is that the fear of lawsuits might (imperceptibly?) improve the decorum of interval forums. Interval aficionados that have been in violation of said patents for many years (indeed, many years before the patents were even applied for) would seem to have had plenty of time to apply for licenses. Should prudent researchers start setting aside some funds in their budgets for licensing (from future patent holders) the work that they're now doing? Years ago, in grade school, Teachers used to say, "For every problem, there's a rule, So do it just that way." But when I got to college They said I always must Apply my basic knowledge, Since rules are to distrust. The New Math thought that every kid Should give real thought a try. It didn't matter what you did Just so you told them why. Then the computers came along, And algorithms, too, Constructed so you can't go wrong No matter what you do. - Anonymous From owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Thu Aug 4 14:00:05 2005 Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j74J04Fn003042 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:00:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j74J04Vk003041 for reliable_computing-outgoing; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:00:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (rbk5287@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j74J01tQ003037 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:00:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from rbk5287@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j74J01lY003036 for reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:00:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ti-edu.ch (posta.ti-edu.ch [195.176.176.171]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j73GHmse000746 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:17:54 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by cgpav Received: from [195.176.191.53] (HELO cavolo.idsia.ch) by ti-edu.ch (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 8866566 for reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 18:17:42 +0200 Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20050803181736.05391900 [at] pop [dot] ti-edu.ch> X-Sender: zaffalon [at] idsia [dot] ch@pop.ti-edu.ch X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 18:17:40 +0200 To: reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu From: Marco Zaffalon Subject: Latest issue of the SIPTA newsletter available Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Precedence: bulk [Help circulating this announcement is appreciated; sorry for duplicates.] The new issue of SIPTA (Society for Imprecise Probability: Theories and Applications) newsletter has been released at the SIPTA size [www.sipta.org/resources/], containing: - A summary of Serafin Moral's invited talk at ECSQARU about imprecise probabilities, by Serafin Moral - A list of events and journals concerned with imprecise probabilities - Information about the recently held ISIPTA '05 - Abstracts on imprecise probabilities - Software section about NMPROBLOG: Nonmonotonic Probabilistic and Default Reasoning, by Thomas Lukasiewicz. 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This book has several interval-related papers, by Bill Walster ad = Siegrief Rump.=20 =20 *************************************************************** From: Bo Einarsson Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:08:02 +0200 Subject: New Book, Accuracy and Reliability in Scientific Computing Numerical software is central to our computerized society. It is used to design airplanes and bridges, to operate manufacturing lines, to control power plants and refineries, to analyze future options for financial markets, to determine genomes, to provide the understanding necessary for the treatment for cancer. Because of the high stakes involved, it is essential that the software be accurate, reliable, and robust. The IFIP Working Group on Numerical Software has produced a book "Accuracy and Reliability in Scientific Computing" with the objective to investigate some of the difficulties related to scientific computing, such as accuracy requirements and rounding, and to explain how to obtain accurate and reliable results. The book has authors both from the working group and outside experts. It was published by SIAM late July 2005 and further information is available via http://ec-securehost.com/SIAM/SE18.html = =20 Bo Einarsson Editor ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59BCF.8A9A7C92 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=
FYI. This book has several interval-related = papers, by =0A= Bill Walster ad Siegrief Rump.
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From: Bo =0A= Einarsson <boein [at] mai [dot] liu.se>
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:08:02 =0A= +0200
Subject: New Book, Accuracy and Reliability in Scientific =0A= Computing

Numerical software is central to our computerized = society. It =0A= is used
to design airplanes and bridges, to operate manufacturing = lines, =0A= to
control power plants and refineries, to analyze future options =0A= for
financial markets, to determine genomes, to provide the =0A= understanding
necessary for the treatment for cancer. Because of the = high =0A= stakes
involved, it is essential that the software be accurate, = reliable, =0A= and
robust.

The IFIP Working Group on Numerical Software has = produced =0A= a book
"Accuracy and Reliability in Scientific Computing" with the = objective =0A= to
investigate some of the difficulties related to scientific =0A= computing,
such as accuracy requirements and rounding, and to explain = how to =0A= obtain
accurate and reliable results. The book has authors both from =0A= the
working group and outside experts.

It was published by = SIAM late =0A= July 2005 and further information is
available via
http://ec-securehost.com/SIAM/SE18.html

Bo =0A= Einarsson
Editor

------_=_NextPart_001_01C59BCF.8A9A7C92-- From owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Sun Aug 7 23:32:04 2005 Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j784W3wn010634 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 23:32:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j784W3Y9010633 for reliable_computing-outgoing; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 23:32:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from itdsrvmail01.utep.edu (itdsrvmail01.utep.edu [129.108.0.82]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j784VpNd010629 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 23:32:00 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C59BD2.161BF44A" Subject: from NA Digest Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 22:31:46 -0600 Message-ID: <77B4C8824930004AAC10E1B01576254A8393F9 [at] itdsrvmail01 [dot] utep.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: from NA Digest Thread-Index: AcWb0hYI15pr9hxgQIiAWBstczkGBA== From: "Kreinovich, Vladik" To: Cc: Sender: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59BD2.161BF44A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Forwarding; apologies for multiple copies. Vladik =20 ************************************************* From: Brigitte Verdonk Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 06:23:03 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Mini-symposium at ICNAAM on the Computation of Special = Functions Due to the great interest for ICNAAM 2005 (International Conference on Numerical Analysis and Applied Mathematics), the deadline for participation and registration has been extended. We invite late submissions for the mini-symposium ON THE COMPUTATION OF SPECIAL FUNCTIONS organized at ICNAAM 2005. Mini-symposium topic: Because of the importance of special functions, many of their = properties, developed over the centuries, have been collected in formula books. Since the 1960s, also algorithms and software for the approximation of special functions have been developed and published. Many collections are available now: on the Internet, in books, in software systems such as MATLAB, NAG and IMSL, and in computer algebra packages such as Maple and Mathematica, to mention important (but not all) examples. However, there is a persistent need for numerical algorithms for all kinds of special functions. It is the aim of the mini-symposium to bring together several experts on this topic. Recent results on the numerical computation of special functions will be presented. Invited speakers (in alphabetical order): Dirk Laurie, Nico Temme, Andre Weideman Organizers: Annie Cuyt (annie.cuyt [at] ua [dot] ac.be), Brigitte Verdonk (brigitte.verdonk [at] ua [dot] ac.be) Abstracts should be sent directly to the mini-symposium organizers. For details on submission deadlines and registration, please refer to http://www.uop.gr/~icnaam =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59BD2.161BF44A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=
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From: =0A= Brigitte Verdonk <brigitte.verdonk [at] ua [dot] ac.be>
Date: Sat, 6 Aug = 2005 =0A= 06:23:03 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Mini-symposium at ICNAAM on the = Computation of =0A= Special Functions

Due to the great interest for ICNAAM 2005 =0A= (International Conference on
Numerical Analysis and Applied = Mathematics), the =0A= deadline for
participation and registration has been extended. We = invite =0A= late
submissions for the =0A= mini-symposium

        ON THE =0A= COMPUTATION OF SPECIAL FUNCTIONS

organized at ICNAAM =0A= 2005.

Mini-symposium topic:

Because of the importance of = special =0A= functions, many of their properties,
developed over the centuries, = have been =0A= collected in formula books.
Since the 1960s, also algorithms and = software for =0A= the approximation of
special functions have been developed and =0A= published.  Many collections
are available now:  on the = Internet, =0A= in books, in software systems
such as MATLAB, NAG and IMSL, and in = computer =0A= algebra packages such as
Maple and Mathematica, to mention important = (but not =0A= all) examples.

However, there is a persistent need for numerical =0A= algorithms for all
kinds of special functions. It is the aim of the =0A= mini-symposium to bring
together several experts on this topic. = Recent =0A= results on the numerical
computation of special functions will be =0A= presented.

Invited speakers (in alphabetical order):

Dirk = Laurie, =0A= Nico Temme, Andre Weideman

Organizers:

Annie Cuyt =0A= (annie.cuyt [at] ua [dot] ac.be), Brigitte =0A= Verdonk
(brigitte.verdonk [at] ua [dot] ac.be)

Abstracts should be sent = directly =0A= to the mini-symposium organizers.
For details on submission deadlines = and =0A= registration, please refer = to

        =0A=
http://www.uop.gr/~icnaam

------_=_NextPart_001_01C59BD2.161BF44A-- From owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Tue Aug 9 14:15:49 2005 Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j79JFm3H013932 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:15:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j79JFmHX013931 for reliable_computing-outgoing; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:15:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from poczta.polsl.pl (castor.polsl.pl [157.158.3.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j79JFcME013927 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:15:44 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C59D16.B02C61C6" Subject: Web-applications related to equations with interval parameters Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:15:22 +0200 Message-ID: <0FD17B3AD1251C40A9ED696128062BF1927D9D [at] castor [dot] polsl.pl> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Web-applications related to equations with interval parameters thread-index: AcWdFq/imZ3vtDnFRpubQE+3gTnLWA== From: "Andrzej Pownuk" To: Sender: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59D16.B02C61C6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear members of this group, On the following web page =20 http://pownuk.prv.pl/interval_web_applications.htm There are web applications which calculate displacements=20 of truss structures with interval parameters.=20 Binary version of the program is also included. Additionally there is a solution program which calculates=20 of non-stationary diffusion equations with interval parameters.=20 =20 The algorithms of calculations are based on sensitivity analysis=20 and gives only approximate results=20 but maybe some members of this group=20 will be interested of the results,=20 which are generated by these programs just for comparison. Regards, Andrzej Pownuk --------------------------------------------- Ph.D., research associate at: Chair of Theoretical Mechanics Faculty of Civil Engineering Silesian University of Technology ul. Krzywoustego 7 44-100 Gliwice, Poland =20 Tel/fax: 0048 32 2371542=20 Mobile: 0048 606 550147=20 URL: http://pownuk.com E-mail: andrzej [at] pownuk [dot] com --------------------------------------------- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59D16.B02C61C6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=

Dear members of this group,

=0A=

On the following web page
 
http://pownuk= .prv.pl/interval_web_applications.htm

=0A=

There are web applications which calculate displacements
of truss =0A= structures with interval parameters.
Binary version of the program = is also =0A= included.
Additionally there is a solution program which calculates =
of =0A= non-stationary diffusion equations with interval parameters. =
 

=0A=

The algorithms of calculations are based on sensitivity analysis =
and =0A= gives only approximate results
but maybe some members of this group =
will =0A= be interested of the results,
which are generated by these programs = just for =0A= comparison.

=0A=

Regards,

=0A=

Andrzej Pownuk

=0A=

---------------------------------------------
Ph.D., research = associate =0A= at:
Chair of Theoretical Mechanics
Faculty of Civil =0A= Engineering
Silesian University of Technology
ul. Krzywoustego =0A= 7
44-100  Gliwice, Poland
 
Tel/fax: 0048 32 2371542 =0A=
Mobile:  0048 606 550147

=0A=

URL:    http://pownuk.com
E-mail: andrzej [at] pownuk [dot] com
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C59D16.B02C61C6-- From owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Wed Aug 10 04:37:29 2005 Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j7A9bTgU015258 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:37:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j7A9bSed015257 for reliable_computing-outgoing; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:37:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccsmta3.resource.rmcs.cranfield.ac.uk (ccsmta3.rmcs.cranfield.ac.uk [193.63.243.26]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j7A9bE15015253 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:37:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from isepryce.staff.rmcs.cranfield.ac.uk ([10.4.49.11]) by ccsmta3.resource.rmcs.cranfield.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1E2n0V-00017c-OX for reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:36:19 +0100 X-Sender: prycej [at] pop3 [dot] rmcs.cranfield.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:40:18 +0100 To: reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu From: Dr John D Pryce Subject: Re: Verification and Validation X-DEFAC-MailScanner-Information: Please contact postmaster [at] rmcs [dot] cranfield.ac.uk for more information X-DEFAC-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-DEFAC-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) X-MailScanner-From: j.d.pryce [at] cranfield [dot] ac.uk Sender: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Precedence: bulk Dear all On the current discussion about terms & names: (1) --------------------- I have had the job of teaching our basic Software Engineering course for some years now. The distinction made by the software engineering (and I believe more broadly systems engineering) community between Verification and Validation is quite explicit: Verification: "Are we building the product right?" The software should conform to its specification. Validation: "Are we building the right product?" The software should do what the user really requires. (see e.g. "Software Engineering", Ian Sommerville, 6th edition, Chapter 19) So verification is *in principle* automatable, being about the equivalence between one formal system (a spec) and another (a software system). Validation is *in principle* non-automatable, being about the correspondence between human requirements and a formal system. This is clearly related to, but not the same as, the distinction being made in other engineering disciplines as e.g. quoted by Ray Moore in his original posting: >Evidently "validation" is widely used to refer to agreement with physical >effects, experimental results, etc. I do not think we should get too worried about "right" usage of these words, seeing that there are various communities out there that use them in subtly different ways. (2) --------------------- I am perfectly happy with the name "Reliable Computing". I think "Interval Arithmetic" and "Interval Computing" are too narrow for the reasons Baker has just given, namely you don't need intervals to get, ermm, validated results. Example: Years ago I refereed a joint paper by two great men, Jim Wilkinson and Frank Olver, on an algorithm and its implementation, for solving a (dense) linear system Ax=b with rigorous bounds on the error. This was in the days when double precision was far slower than single, and before IEEE754 I think. They just used the Wilkinson model x OP y = (1 + e) ( x op y), |e| <= u (*) where op is an exact arithmetic operation, OP is as done on the machine, u is the roundoff unit. (I think they even put in an extra term to handle underflow.) So, the scheme was to do the main computation in double precision, and simultaneously in single precision perform a running rigorous error bound of each operation (*), using an inflation of each absolute-value bound by a factor (1+u1) where u1 is the S.P. roundoff unit, so as to account for errors in the S.P. computation. You thus did Wilkinson's backward error analysis but with far sharper bounds, which in theory would be asymptotically optimal as u -> 0. So, totally "validated" but with no interval arithmetic! Wilkinson wrote me to the effect that this was Olver's baby, he found it rather boring and he could have done it on the pilot ACE in 1948 if he had really wanted to. He was much more interested in error analysis for giving insight rather than rigorous bounds. But times and needs change. --------------------- John Pryce Dr John D Pryce Lecturer in Mathematical Software Engineering Computer Information Systems Engineering Dept Cranfield University, RMCS Shrivenham Swindon SN6 8LA, UK Tel +44 (0)1793-785683 direct, +44 (0)1793-785931 secretaries, +44 (0)1793-785366 fax -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cranfield MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Wed Aug 10 09:16:22 2005 Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j7AEGL3A015710 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:16:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j7AEGLrk015709 for reliable_computing-outgoing; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:16:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from grpws1.uca.edu (grpws1.uca.edu [161.31.24.26]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j7AEGCYH015705 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:16:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from GWDMN1-MTA by grpws1.uca.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:16:05 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:15:38 -0500 From: "Chenyi Hu" To: , Subject: Re: Verification and Validation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by interval.louisiana.edu id j7AEGIYH015706 Sender: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Precedence: bulk Dear All, I still feel very strongly that Ray's original post on this topic has great intrinsic merit. Although achieving computational reliability has been one of the most important applications of interval computing, intervals have been applied in much broader areas nowadays. Yes, there are other methods to achieve computational reliability. But, the term "interval computing" covers much more application areas than only on "verification" and validation". As a very recent example, I do not feel if it is very appropriate to submit one of our current research results on interval fuzzy decision making systems to the Journal of Reliable Computing simply because of that our work does not fit the term "Reliable". I think, the most common interests of this group probably are in interval computing and its applications. If that is true, then the term "interval computing" might not be "too narrow" for this group as it seems. Regards, Chenyi Hu >>> Dr John D Pryce 08/10/05 2:40 AM >>> Dear all On the current discussion about terms & names: (1) --------------------- I have had the job of teaching our basic Software Engineering course for some years now. The distinction made by the software engineering (and I believe more broadly systems engineering) community between Verification and Validation is quite explicit: Verification: "Are we building the product right?" The software should conform to its specification. Validation: "Are we building the right product?" The software should do what the user really requires. (see e.g. "Software Engineering", Ian Sommerville, 6th edition, Chapter 19) So verification is *in principle* automatable, being about the equivalence between one formal system (a spec) and another (a software system). Validation is *in principle* non-automatable, being about the correspondence between human requirements and a formal system. This is clearly related to, but not the same as, the distinction being made in other engineering disciplines as e.g. quoted by Ray Moore in his original posting: >Evidently "validation" is widely used to refer to agreement with physical >effects, experimental results, etc. I do not think we should get too worried about "right" usage of these words, seeing that there are various communities out there that use them in subtly different ways. (2) --------------------- I am perfectly happy with the name "Reliable Computing". I think "Interval Arithmetic" and "Interval Computing" are too narrow for the reasons Baker has just given, namely you don't need intervals to get, ermm, validated results. Example: Years ago I refereed a joint paper by two great men, Jim Wilkinson and Frank Olver, on an algorithm and its implementation, for solving a (dense) linear system Ax=b with rigorous bounds on the error. This was in the days when double precision was far slower than single, and before IEEE754 I think. They just used the Wilkinson model x OP y = (1 + e) ( x op y), |e| <= u (*) where op is an exact arithmetic operation, OP is as done on the machine, u is the roundoff unit. (I think they even put in an extra term to handle underflow.) So, the scheme was to do the main computation in double precision, and simultaneously in single precision perform a running rigorous error bound of each operation (*), using an inflation of each absolute-value bound by a factor (1+u1) where u1 is the S.P. roundoff unit, so as to account for errors in the S.P. computation. You thus did Wilkinson's backward error analysis but with far sharper bounds, which in theory would be asymptotically optimal as u -> 0. So, totally "validated" but with no interval arithmetic! Wilkinson wrote me to the effect that this was Olver's baby, he found it rather boring and he could have done it on the pilot ACE in 1948 if he had really wanted to. He was much more interested in error analysis for giving insight rather than rigorous bounds. But times and needs change. --------------------- John Pryce Dr John D Pryce Lecturer in Mathematical Software Engineering Computer Information Systems Engineering Dept Cranfield University, RMCS Shrivenham Swindon SN6 8LA, UK Tel +44 (0)1793-785683 direct, +44 (0)1793-785931 secretaries, +44 (0)1793-785366 fax -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cranfield MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Wed Aug 10 12:13:59 2005 Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j7AHDxBr016466 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:13:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j7AHDw3g016465 for reliable_computing-outgoing; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:13:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cs.clemson.edu (plato.cs.clemson.edu [130.127.48.6]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j7AHDnVZ016461 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:13:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [130.127.49.168] (csdhcp24.cs.clemson.edu [130.127.49.168]) by cs.clemson.edu (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7AHDcaM029587; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:13:33 -0400 To: "Chenyi Hu" , , From: Steve Stevenson Subject: Re: Verification and Validation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 130.127.48.6 Sender: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Precedence: bulk For what it's worth, I agree with Chenyi. I call your attention to a really interesting volume of @Proceedings{helton04, title = {Special Issue: Alternative Representations of Epistemic Uncertainty}, year = 2004, editor = {J. C. Helton and W. L. Oberkampf}, volume = 85, series = {Reliability Engineering \& System Safety}, publisher = {Elsevier} } Not only is this published in a series of reliability but the volume itself covers a large number of alternative arithmetic systems, many based in part on interval arithmetic. I think this idea is just gaining speed that alternative approaches are needed. steve At 9:15 -0500 8/10/05, Chenyi Hu wrote: >Dear All, > >I still feel very strongly that Ray's original post on this topic >has great intrinsic merit. Although achieving computational >reliability has been one of the most important applications of >interval computing, intervals have been applied in much broader >areas nowadays. Yes, there are other methods to achieve >computational reliability. But, the term "interval computing" covers >much more application areas than only on "verification" and >validation". As a very recent example, I do not feel if it is very >appropriate to submit one of our current research results on >interval fuzzy decision making systems to the Journal of Reliable >Computing simply because of that our work does not fit the term >"Reliable". I think, the most common interests of this group >probably are in interval computing and its applications. If that is >true, then the term "interval computing" might not be "too narrow" >for this group as it seems. > >Regards, > >Chenyi Hu > >>>> Dr John D Pryce 08/10/05 2:40 AM >>> >Dear all >On the current discussion about terms & names: > >(1) --------------------- >I have had the job of teaching our basic Software Engineering course for >some years now. The distinction made by the software engineering (and I >believe more broadly systems engineering) community between Verification >and Validation is quite explicit: > >Verification: > "Are we building the product right?" > > The software should conform to its specification. > >Validation: > "Are we building the right product?" > > The software should do what the user really requires. > >(see e.g. "Software Engineering", Ian Sommerville, 6th edition, Chapter 19) >So verification is *in principle* automatable, being about the equivalence >between one formal system (a spec) and another (a software system). >Validation is *in principle* non-automatable, being about the >correspondence between human requirements and a formal system. > >This is clearly related to, but not the same as, the distinction being made >in other engineering disciplines as e.g. quoted by Ray Moore in his >original posting: >>Evidently "validation" is widely used to refer to agreement with physical >>effects, experimental results, etc. > >I do not think we should get too worried about "right" usage of these >words, seeing that there are various communities out there that use them in >subtly different ways. > >(2) --------------------- >I am perfectly happy with the name "Reliable Computing". I think "Interval >Arithmetic" and "Interval Computing" are too narrow for the reasons Baker >has just given, namely you don't need intervals to get, ermm, validated >results. > >Example: Years ago I refereed a joint paper by two great men, Jim Wilkinson >and Frank Olver, on an algorithm and its implementation, for solving a >(dense) linear system Ax=b with rigorous bounds on the error. This was in >the days when double precision was far slower than single, and before >IEEE754 I think. They just used the Wilkinson model > x OP y = (1 + e) ( x op y), |e| <= u (*) > >where op is an exact arithmetic operation, OP is as done on the machine, u >is the roundoff unit. (I think they even put in an extra term to handle >underflow.) So, the scheme was to do the main computation in double >precision, and simultaneously in single precision perform a running >rigorous error bound of each operation (*), using an inflation of each >absolute-value bound by a factor (1+u1) where u1 is the S.P. roundoff unit, >so as to account for errors in the S.P. computation. You thus did >Wilkinson's backward error analysis but with far sharper bounds, which in >theory would be asymptotically optimal as u -> 0. > >So, totally "validated" but with no interval arithmetic! > >Wilkinson wrote me to the effect that this was Olver's baby, he found it >rather boring and he could have done it on the pilot ACE in 1948 if he had >really wanted to. He was much more interested in error analysis for giving >insight rather than rigorous bounds. But times and needs change. > >--------------------- > >John Pryce > >Dr John D Pryce >Lecturer in Mathematical Software Engineering >Computer Information Systems Engineering Dept >Cranfield University, RMCS Shrivenham >Swindon SN6 8LA, UK >Tel +44 (0)1793-785683 direct, > +44 (0)1793-785931 secretaries, > +44 (0)1793-785366 fax > > > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by the Cranfield MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean. -- best, steve Dr. D. E. Stevenson Director, Institute for Modeling and Simulation Applications Clemson University Clemson,SC 29634-0974 From owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Thu Aug 11 18:36:57 2005 Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j7BNauB3020526 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:36:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j7BNaunr020525 for reliable_computing-outgoing; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:36:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from itdsrvmail01.utep.edu (itdsrvmail01.utep.edu [129.108.0.82]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j7BNahDW020519 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:36:53 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C59ECD.821E23DE" Subject: FW: Interval arithmetic library in BOOST Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:34:09 -0600 Message-ID: <77B4C8824930004AAC10E1B01576254A83949F [at] itdsrvmail01 [dot] utep.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Interval arithmetic library in BOOST Thread-Index: AcWed7rbNd0yMI+HThOCqyXy96BFHQAVXEH7 From: "Kreinovich, Vladik" To: Cc: Sender: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59ECD.821E23DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friends,=20 =20 I have just learned from Sergey Shary an imporratnt info:=20 =20 ... there is an interval C++ library implemented within the popular BOOST project http://www.boost.org. Look at "Libraries", then "Math and numerics", then "Intervals", or just http://www.boost.org/libs/numeric/interval/doc/interval.htm It is one of the most referenced software project among C++ community (an analogue of NETLIB in a sense). Sergey P. Shary Many thanks to Sergey for poiinting out!=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59ECD.821E23DE Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Interval arithmetic library in BOOST =0A= =0A= =0A=
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=0A= =0A= =0A= ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59ECD.821E23DE-- From owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Fri Aug 12 08:18:42 2005 Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j7CDIge0021810 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:18:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j7CDIgaS021809 for reliable_computing-outgoing; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:18:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from zmit1.ippt.gov.pl (zmit1.ippt.gov.pl [148.81.53.8]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j7CDIWbc021805 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:18:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from zkulpa@localhost) by zmit1.ippt.gov.pl (8.8.5/8.7.3-zmit) id PAA09564; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:11:41 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:11:41 +0200 (MET DST) From: Zenon Kulpa Message-Id: <200508121311.PAA09564 [at] zmit1 [dot] ippt.gov.pl> To: reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu, interval [at] cs [dot] utep.edu Subject: Tolerable/controllable solution applications Cc: zkulpa [at] ippt [dot] gov.pl Sender: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Precedence: bulk Dear Intervalers, I am looking for some simple examples of practical problems involving control (controllable) and tolerance (tolerable) solution sets of interval linear systems of equations. I would greatly appreciate obtaining references to appropriate papers, or possibly descriptions of the examples. -- Zenon Kulpa From owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Fri Aug 12 09:40:45 2005 Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j7CEeiIg021960 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:40:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j7CEeipR021959 for reliable_computing-outgoing; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:40:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from itdsrvmail01.utep.edu (itdsrvmail01.utep.edu [129.108.0.82]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j7CEeUbt021955 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:40:41 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C59F4B.C6E02ACA" Subject: interval-related software Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:40:25 -0600 Message-ID: <77B4C8824930004AAC10E1B01576254A8394B4 [at] itdsrvmail01 [dot] utep.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: interval-related software Thread-Index: AcWfS8bbvNo+YVEUQRmXno82UOCXNQ== From: "Kreinovich, Vladik" To: Cc: Sender: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59F4B.C6E02ACA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friends, This is FYI, tow new software links have been added to the = interval website.=20 =20 From: Stefan Ratschan [mailto:stefan.ratschan@mpi-sb.mpg.de] ... =20 * Rsolver: solves quantified inequality constraints (http://rsolver.sourceforge.net) * smathlib: a library of C routines for interval arithmetic and constraint narrowing http://interval.sourceforge.net/interval/prolog/clip/clip/smath/README.ht= ml Thanks, Stefan Ratschan ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59F4B.C6E02ACA Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=
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Thanks,

  Stefan =0A= Ratschan


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5A054.2F745C1A-- From owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Tue Aug 16 05:23:30 2005 Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j7GANUei004381 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 05:23:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j7GANT30004380 for reliable_computing-outgoing; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 05:23:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wminf0.math.uni-wuppertal.de (wminf0.math.uni-wuppertal.de [132.195.94.17]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j7GANK1p004376 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 05:23:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imap.math.uni-wuppertal.de (imap.math.uni-wuppertal.de [132.195.94.36]) by wminf0.math.uni-wuppertal.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08930 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:23:14 +0200 (MEST) Received: from math.uni-wuppertal.de (wmai03.math.uni-wuppertal.de [132.195.95.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by imap.math.uni-wuppertal.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7096550C for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:23:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4301BE92.301 [at] math [dot] uni-wuppertal.de> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:23:14 +0200 From: Bruno Lang User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4.3) Gecko/20050104 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Subject: CFP: ECMI Newsletter, Issue on result-verifying computations X-Enigmail-Version: 0.76.8.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Precedence: bulk Dear fellow intervalers, Andreas Frommer and I will be guest editors for one of the next issues of the ECMI Newsletter, a journal of the European Consortium for Mathematics in Industry; see http://www.ecmi-indmath.org This issue is intended as a vehicle for promoting ideas from result-verifying computing (interval and related methods) to engineers working in industry. Given the format and audience of the journal, each contribution should be kind of an "appetizer", i.e., it should - be short (2 pp max) - describe an application of result-verifying computing, either in cooperation with industry or with obvious impact to industry, and - keep technical details at a minimum and instead give pointers. The contributions will be preceded by a short introduction into interval (and related) methods. Note that the papers will NOT undergo a full peer review process. If you are interested in contributing to this issue, please send us a short (plain text) message describing the application and how result-verifying methods came into play. Based on these descriptions we will select the contributions and contact you for the submission of the full length (2pp) version. With your help, we hope to collect at least half a dozen applications highlighting different aspects of result-verifying methods. Andreas Frommer (frommer [at] math [dot] uni-wuppertal.de) and Bruno Lang (lang [at] math [dot] uni-wuppertal.de) From owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Wed Aug 17 07:30:37 2005 Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j7HCUaVR007006 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:30:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j7HCUaBM007005 for reliable_computing-outgoing; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:30:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.136]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j7HCURMb007001 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:30:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Moore (cpe-204-210-226-96.columbus.res.rr.com [204.210.226.96]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j7HCUOXX000227 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002601c5a327$7ef40320$0202a8c0@Moore> From: "Ray Moore" To: "reliable computing" Subject: Eigenvalue enclosures Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:30:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C5A305.F7A92AB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Sender: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C5A305.F7A92AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Colleagues, I have been asked the following question, and do not know of such a = program. Is there one? Is it available? "Do you know about any program which can make inclusion of the = eigenvalues for a positive definite matrix say with 1000 or more = unknowns for example of the finite element type? If so do you have some = experience with that?" best regards, Ray Moore ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C5A305.F7A92AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Colleagues,
 
I have been asked the following = question, and do=20 not know of such a program. Is there one? Is it available?
 
"Do you know=20 about any program which can make inclusion  of the eigenvalues for = a=20 positive definite matrix say with 1000 or  more unknowns for = example of the=20 finite element type? If so do you have some experience with=20 that?"
 
best=20 regards,
 
Ray=20 Moore

 
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C5A305.F7A92AB0-- From owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Wed Aug 17 12:44:52 2005 Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j7HHiqtB007439 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:44:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j7HHiqfk007438 for reliable_computing-outgoing; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:44:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from signals.gtrep.gatech.edu (signals.gtrep.gatech.edu [168.20.172.14]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j7HHierZ007433 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:44:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rmuhannalptp (rmuhanna-lptp.gtrep.gatech.edu [10.50.20.152]) by signals.gtrep.gatech.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id j7HHiS6f028415; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:44:28 -0400 Message-ID: <004801c5a353$4d228c50$9814320a@rmuhannalptp> From: "Rafi Muhanna" To: "Ray Moore" , "reliable computing" References: <002601c5a327$7ef40320$0202a8c0@Moore> Subject: Re: Eigenvalue enclosures Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:44:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01C5A331.C5B3B120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-GTSAV-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GTSAV-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: rafi.muhanna [at] gtrep [dot] gatech.edu Sender: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C5A331.C5B3B120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Prof. Moore, The following two papers might have answers to your questions: 1. Modares, Mehdi and Mullen, Robert L., 2004. " Free Vibration of = Structures with Interval Uncertainty ". 9th ASCE Specialty Conference on = Probabilistic Mechanics and Structural Reliability, New Mexico, July = 26-28, 2004. 2. Modares, M., Mullen, R., Bellini, P., and Muhanna, R., "Buckling = Analysis of Structures with Interval Parameters," the 2005 SAE World = Congress, Reliability and Robust Design in Automotive Engineering, = Detroit, Michigan, April 11-14, 2005. Best regards, Rafi Muhanna ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ray Moore=20 To: reliable computing=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:30 AM Subject: Eigenvalue enclosures Dear Colleagues, I have been asked the following question, and do not know of such a = program. Is there one? Is it available? "Do you know about any program which can make inclusion of the = eigenvalues for a positive definite matrix say with 1000 or more = unknowns for example of the finite element type? If so do you have some = experience with that?" best regards, Ray Moore ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C5A331.C5B3B120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Prof. Moore,

The following two papers might have = answers=20 to your questions:

1.    Modares, Mehdi = and=20 Mullen, Robert L., 2004. =93 Free Vibration of Structures with Interval=20 Uncertainty =94. 9th ASCE Specialty Conference on = Probabilistic=20 Mechanics and Structural Reliability, New Mexico, July 26-28, 2004.

2.    = Modares, M., Mullen, R., Bellini, P., = and Muhanna,=20 R., =93Buckling Analysis = of Structures=20 with Interval Parameters,=94 the 2005=20 SAE World Congress, Reliability and Robust Design in Automotive = Engineering,=20 Detroit, Michigan, April 11-14, 2005.

Best regards,

 

Rafi Muhanna

----- Original Message = -----=20

From:=20 Ray=20 Moore
To: reliable = computing=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, = 2005 8:30=20 AM
Subject: Eigenvalue = enclosures

Dear Colleagues,
 
I have been asked the following = question, and do=20 not know of such a program. Is there one? Is it = available?
 
"Do you know=20 about any program which can make inclusion  of the eigenvalues = for a=20 positive definite matrix say with 1000 or  more unknowns for = example of=20 the finite element type? If so do you have some experience with=20 that?"
 
best=20 regards,
 
Ray=20 Moore

 
------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C5A331.C5B3B120-- From owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Thu Aug 18 18:13:23 2005 Received: from interval.louisiana.edu (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j7INDNRm009831 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:13:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/Submit) id j7INDMit009830 for reliable_computing-outgoing; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:13:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from itdsrvmail01.utep.edu (itdsrvmail01.utep.edu [129.108.0.82]) by interval.louisiana.edu (8.13.1/8.13.4/ull-interval-math-majordomo-1.5) with ESMTP id j7INDD2h009826 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:13:19 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5A44A.653A424A" Subject: FW: Call for papers: IPMU 2006 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:11:04 -0600 Message-ID: <77B4C8824930004AAC10E1B01576254A839607 [at] itdsrvmail01 [dot] utep.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Call for papers: IPMU 2006 Thread-Index: AcWj/s/JBZBYlX+eSi60QZc3FEXRtwAS0vH+ From: "Kreinovich, Vladik" To: , Cc: Sender: owner-reliable_computing [at] interval [dot] louisiana.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5A44A.653A424A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The organize stronly encourage interval participation. If there is an = interest we can oragnize a special session. Vladik ________________________________ From: Thanh Ha DANG [mailto:ThanhHa.Dang [at] lip6 [dot] fr] Sent: Thu 8/18/2005 8:12 AM CALL FOR PAPERS THE 11th INFORMATION PROCESSING AND MANAGEMENT OF UNCERTAINTY = INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE (IPMU 2006) July 2-7, 2006, Paris, France Web page : http://ipmu2006.lip6.fr Paper submission due date: December 10th, 2005 PURPOSE OF THE CONFERENCE The IPMU Conference is organized every two years with the focus of = bringing together scientists working on methods for the management of uncertainty = and aggregation of information in intelligent systems. This conference = provides a medium for the exchange of ideas between theoreticians and practitioners = in these and related areas. SUPPORTED BY Universit=E9 P. et M. Curie, Universit=E9 Paris 8, ENST, LIP6, IEEE = France, IFSA, EUSFLAT, UES DATES AND DEADLINES October 15, 2005: Submission of special sessions November 12, 2005: Notification of acceptance of special sessions December 10, 2005: Submission of papers February 25, 2006: Notification of acceptance March 31, 2006: Submission of final papers July, 2-7, 2006: Conference in Paris PAPER FORMAT Submitted full papers are to be 6 to 8 pages length, in English, or = French. Format files and a complete instruction set are available on the = webpage: http://ipmu2006.lip6.fr. TOPICS Theory, methods and tools Bayesian and Probabilistic Methods, Measure of Information and = Uncertainty, Evidence Theory, Possibility Theory, Utility Theory, Measurement Theory, Belief Networks, Chaos Theory, Fuzzy Methods, Rough Sets, Belief = Updating, Default Reasoning, Multivalued Logics, Temporal Reasoning, Non-standard Logics, Non-monotonic Logics, Approximate Reasoning, Knowledge = Acquisition, Knowledge Representation, Uncertainty in Cognition, Information incompleteness and inconsistency, Genetic Algorithms, Evolutionary Computation, Machine Learning, Inductive Methods, Neural Networks, Aggregation Methods, Data Analysis. Application fields Intelligent Systems, Fuzzy Control, Diagnosis Systems, Expert Systems, = Hybrid Systems, Clustering, Databases, Classification, Image Processing, = Intelligent Agents, Pattern Recognition, Medical Applications, Bioinformatics, = Financial Engineering, Multi-Media Management, Decision Support Systems, Dedicated Architectures and Software, Software engineering, Multicriteria and = Group Decision Making, Information systems, Information Retrieval, Information Fusion, Semantic Web, Data Mining, Cyber Security. HONORARY PRESIDENT L. A. Zadeh (Univ. of California, USA) CHAIRPERSONS B. Bouchon-Meunier (CNRS, Universit=E9 Paris VI, France) R.R Yager (Iona College, USA) ORGANIZING COMMITTEE C. Marsala (General Co-Chair) M. Rifqi (General Co-Chair) C. Tijus (Publications Chair) M. Detyniecki (Publicity Chair) E. Kijak (Technical Chair) N. Labroche (Web Chair) H. Akdag (Local Arrangements Chair) A. Laurent (Electronic Submission Chair) M.J. Lesot (Special Sessions Chair) J.F. Omhover (Posters Sessions Chair) SPECIAL ADVISERS COMMITTEE A. Billot (France) A. Capotorti (Italy) G. Cohen (France) G. Coletti (Italy) M. Delgado (Spain) L. Foulloy (France) S. Galichet (France) J. Gutierrez-Rios (Spain) M.-T. Lamata (Spain) L. Magdalena (Spain) G. Mauris (France) L. Saitta (Italy) E. Trillas (Spain) L. Valverde (Spain) J. Verdegay (Spain) M.-A. Vila (Spain) INTERNATIONAL PROGRAM COMMITTEE J. Aczel (Canada) A. Appriou (France) J. Baldwin (UK) H. Berenji (USA) Z.Z. Bien (Korea) I. Bloch (France) P. Bonissone (USA) P. Borne (France) P. Bosc (France) R. Casadio (Italy) G. Chen (China) V. Cross (USA) B. De Baets (Belgium) G. De Cooman (Belgium) T. Denoeux (France) A. Di Nola (Italy) A. Doucet (France) D. Dubois (France) F. Esteva (Spain) M. Fedrizzi (Italy) C. Fluhr (France) J. Fodor (Hungary) P. Gallinari (France) M.A. Gil (Spain) F. Gomide (Brazil) M. Grabisch (France) S. Grossberg (USA) P. Hajek (Czech Republic) L. Hall (USA) F. Herrera (Spain) K. Hirota (Japan) M-C. 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Zurada (USA) SECRETARIAT IPMU2006 - LIP6 - Universit=E9 Pierre et Marie Curie 8 rue du Capitaine Scott, 75015 Paris FRANCE Fax: +33 1 45 75 08 90 Email: ipmu2006 [at] lip6 [dot] fr Web: http://ipmu2006.lip6.fr ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5A44A.653A424A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Call for papers: IPMU 2006=0A= =0A= =0A=
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The organize = stronly =0A= encourage interval participation. If there is an interest we can = oragnize a =0A= special session. Vladik
=0A=

=0A=
=0A= From: Thanh Ha DANG =0A= [mailto:ThanhHa.Dang [at] lip6 [dot] fr]
Sent: Thu 8/18/2005 8:12 =0A= AM

=0A=
=0A=

CALL FOR PAPERS
THE 11th INFORMATION PROCESSING AND =0A= MANAGEMENT OF UNCERTAINTY INTERNATIONAL
CONFERENCE (IPMU = 2006)

July =0A= 2-7, 2006, Paris, France

Web page : http://ipmu2006.lip6.fr


P= aper =0A= submission due date: December 10th, 2005

PURPOSE OF THE = CONFERENCE
The =0A= IPMU Conference is organized every two years with the focus of =0A= bringing
together scientists working on methods for the management of =0A= uncertainty and
aggregation of information in intelligent systems. = This =0A= conference provides a
medium for the exchange of ideas between = theoreticians =0A= and practitioners in
these and related areas.

SUPPORTED =0A= BY
Universit=E9 P. et M. Curie, Universit=E9 Paris 8, ENST, LIP6, = IEEE France, =0A= IFSA,
EUSFLAT, UES

DATES AND DEADLINES
October 15, 2005: = Submission =0A= of special sessions
November 12, 2005: Notification of acceptance of = special =0A= sessions
December 10, 2005: Submission of papers
February 25, = 2006: =0A= Notification of acceptance
March 31, 2006: Submission of final =0A= papers
July, 2-7, 2006: Conference in Paris

PAPER = FORMAT
Submitted =0A= full papers are to be 6 to 8 pages length, in English, or = French.
Format =0A= files and a complete instruction set are available on the webpage:
http://ipmu2006.lip6.fr.

TOPI= CS

Theory, =0A= methods and tools

Bayesian and Probabilistic Methods, Measure of =0A= Information and Uncertainty,
Evidence Theory, Possibility Theory, = Utility =0A= Theory, Measurement Theory,
Belief Networks, Chaos Theory, Fuzzy = Methods, =0A= Rough Sets, Belief Updating,
Default Reasoning, Multivalued Logics, = Temporal =0A= Reasoning, Non-standard
Logics, Non-monotonic Logics, Approximate = Reasoning, =0A= Knowledge Acquisition,
Knowledge Representation, Uncertainty in = Cognition, =0A= Information
incompleteness and inconsistency, Genetic Algorithms, =0A= Evolutionary
Computation, Machine Learning, Inductive Methods, Neural =0A= Networks,
Aggregation Methods, Data Analysis.

Application =0A= fields

Intelligent Systems, Fuzzy Control, Diagnosis Systems, = Expert =0A= Systems, Hybrid
Systems, Clustering, Databases, Classification, Image =0A= Processing, Intelligent
Agents, Pattern Recognition, Medical = Applications, =0A= Bioinformatics, Financial
Engineering, Multi-Media Management, = Decision =0A= Support Systems, Dedicated
Architectures and Software, Software = engineering, =0A= Multicriteria and Group
Decision Making, Information systems, = Information =0A= Retrieval, Information
Fusion, Semantic Web, Data Mining, Cyber =0A= Security.

HONORARY PRESIDENT
L. A. Zadeh (Univ. of California, =0A= USA)

CHAIRPERSONS

B. Bouchon-Meunier (CNRS, Universit=E9 = Paris VI, =0A= France)
R.R Yager (Iona College, USA)

ORGANIZING = COMMITTEE

C. =0A= Marsala (General Co-Chair)
M. Rifqi (General Co-Chair)
C. Tijus =0A= (Publications Chair)
M. Detyniecki (Publicity Chair)
E. Kijak = (Technical =0A= Chair)
N. Labroche (Web Chair)
H. Akdag (Local Arrangements = Chair)
A. =0A= Laurent (Electronic Submission Chair)
M.J. Lesot (Special Sessions =0A= Chair)
J.F. Omhover (Posters Sessions Chair)

SPECIAL ADVISERS =0A= COMMITTEE

A. Billot (France)
A. Capotorti (Italy)
G. Cohen =0A= (France)
G. Coletti (Italy)
M. Delgado (Spain)
L. Foulloy =0A= (France)
S. Galichet (France)
J. Gutierrez-Rios (Spain)
M.-T. = Lamata =0A= (Spain)
L. Magdalena (Spain)
G. Mauris (France)
L. Saitta = (Italy)
E. =0A= Trillas (Spain)
L. Valverde (Spain)
J. Verdegay (Spain)
M.-A. = Vila =0A= (Spain)

INTERNATIONAL PROGRAM COMMITTEE

J. Aczel = (Canada)
A. =0A= Appriou (France)
J. Baldwin (UK)
H. Berenji (USA)
Z.Z. Bien =0A= (Korea)
I. Bloch (France)
P. Bonissone (USA)
P. Borne = (France)
P. =0A= Bosc (France)
R. Casadio (Italy)
G. Chen (China)
V. Cross = (USA)
B. =0A= De Baets (Belgium)
G. De Cooman (Belgium)
T. Denoeux = (France)
A. Di =0A= Nola (Italy)
A. Doucet (France)
D. Dubois (France)
F. Esteva =0A= (Spain)
M. Fedr